A 'primordial' black hole may zoom through our solar system every decade
"If there are lots of black holes out there, some of them must surely pass through our backyard every now and then."
If microscopic black holes born a fraction of a second after the Big Bang exist, as some researchers suspect, then at least one may fly through the solar system per decade, generating tiny gravitational distortions that scientists can detect, a new study finds.
These findings suggest that if astronomers can discover and confirm the existence of such gravitational disruptions, they may be able to solve the mystery behind the nature of dark matter, the unseen material that many researchers suspect makes up about five-sixths of all matter in the cosmos.
Many researchers suggest that dark matter may be composed of unknown particles, but no experiment to date has discovered new particles that might be dark matter. As such, one alternative that scientists are exploring to explain dark matter are so-called primordial black holes, ones that have existed since the dawn of time.
Previous research suggests that about 86% of matter in the universe is composed of an essentially invisible substance called dark matter. Scientists infer dark matter's existence from its gravitational effects on everyday matter and light, but it currently remains uncertain what it might be made of.
Black holes get their name from their immense gravitational pulls, which are so powerful that not even light can escape. If a black hole does not give away its existence — for instance, by ripping apart a star — it may remain undetected against the black of space.
Over the decades, astronomers have detected many black holes, from stellar-mass black holes typically about five to 10 times the sun's mass to supermassive black holes millions to billions of solar masses in size. In contrast, the new study examined primordial black holes, which previous research suggests may only be about the mass of a typical asteroid — that is, about 110 billion to 110 million billion tons (100 billion to 100 million billion metric tons).
"The black holes we consider in our work are at least 10 billion times lighter than the sun, and are barely larger in size than a hydrogen atom," study co-author Sarah Geller, a theoretical physicist at the University of California at Santa Cruz, told Space.com.
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Black holes arise when an object is so dense, it collapses under the strength of its own gravity. Prior work suggests that shortly after the Big Bang, before the universe expanded greatly in size, random fluctuations in the density of matter in the newborn cosmos led some clumps to get dense enough to form black holes.
Previous research suggested that primordial black holes that survived to the present day could make up most or all of dark matter. Based on this work, the new study examined how often primordial black holes might fly through the solar system, and whether they might produce effects that scientists could detect on visible objects.
"If there are lots of black holes out there, some of them must surely pass through our backyard every now and then," Geller said.
Originally the researchers "thought about what might happen if a black hole punched through Earth's crust, or passed through our atmosphere, or left a crater on the moon," Geller said. "We even asked ourselves what would happen if one of these tiny black holes hit a human."
However, "each of these ideas ran into the same problem," Geller explained. "A person, the moon, or even Earth is a very small target in the vastness of space, and the chances of a black hole ever hitting them directly is tiny."
Instead, "what we needed was a system large enough for black holes to pass by regularly, but precisely measured enough for us to be able to see some effect," Geller said. "That's when we started thinking about the very precisely measured orbits of objects in the solar system." In principle, a primordial black hole's gravitational pull "could produce wobbles in the orbits of objects in the solar system that are big enough for us to measure."
The scientists ended up focusing on primordial black holes flying near the inner planets of the solar system — Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars. They found that if primordial black holes exist, they may be abundant enough for at least one to fly by the inner worlds once per decade. They added that several flybys may have already occurred since technologies capable of detection such perturbations have come online.
Geller cautioned that "we are not making any of the following claims — that primordial black holes definitely exist, that they make up most or all of the dark matter; or that they are definitely here in our solar system." Instead, they say that if primordial black holes exist and make up most of dark matter, "then one must travel through the inner solar system every one to 10 years."
The scientists also noted that their findings are based on relatively simple computer simulations that do not have the precision needed to analyze real data concerning inner solar system orbits.
"To make definitive statements, we'll need to work with colleagues who specialize in modeling the solar system with much more sophisticated computational methods," study co-author Benjamin Lehmann, a theoretical physicist at MIT, told Space.com. He added that they also need to pinpoint how to figure out what might be a real signal of a primordial black hole and what might simply fall into the range of error expected from any measurement.
The scientists are now discussing the possibility of collaborating with the solar system simulation group at the Paris Observatory to analyze existing orbital data. "They are some of the foremost experts on the sophisticated simulation methods that will be needed to make this analysis a reality," Lehmann said. "Once we develop a complete model that can be used to search through real data, then we'll have to investigate what follow-up observations will be most appropriate for any signal that we might register."
This approach of looking for primordial black holes via their gravitational effects is "not completely sufficient to distinguish between a primordial black hole and some other unusual object of a similar mass," Geller cautioned. She noted that if this strategy does detect a potential primordial black hole, "we can trigger follow-up observations to rule out other possibilities. Astronomers are in fact amazingly good at finding even much lighter objects in our solar system, such as small asteroids, whereas direct observation of a small black hole with a telescope would most likely show nothing at all."
The scientists detailed their findings Sept. 17 in the journal Physical Review D.
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Unclear Engineer This article seems to have some quantitative analysis deficits.Reply
If there are enough primordial black holes around to account for "dark matter" I have already posted in another thread how many would be in a given volume, and what that means for how many would be in our solar system, planet, even our individual bodies, depending on the size/mass postulated for the black holes.
If there are enough black holes with the mass of an average asteroid to be about 6 times more mass than everything we can see in our solar system, then there must be a lot of them here all of the time - more than 6 times the mass of the Sun' worth of "dark matter".
So, the idea that they are not likely to hit anything seems absurd, considering that we are seeing comets and asteroids hitting things. Dark matter black holes would hit things more often. So, why no inexplicable explosions or implosions?
Or, if the "primordial black holes" were fewer but much more massive than the average asteroid, say the mass of the Moon, Earth, Jupiter, etc., with enough of them to total 6 times the mass of the Sun, we should be seeing all sorts of inexplicable changes to the orbits of planets.
I don't have a problem with people looking for things like black holes in the local area. But, a proposal like this would not get a funding vote from me, because it seems to have not had the homework done that is necessary to even know how to look in a realistic manner. -
Classical Motion I don’t think space has volume, area or dimension. Only mass and field have such. For some reason man can not concept emptiness. So we give it properties it doesn’t have. And the first thing we do is size it. But emptiness can not be sized.Reply
There is some kind of want and need for it. And they prove it by measuring it.
But how do you measure emptiness? And what do you compare it to? Does emptiness have a scale? Temperature perhaps? Space doesn’t have a temperature.
Only matter and field are relevant. Are in existence. Have temperature. The space between objects does not exist. Only the distance does.
But man can not concept this. Existence within non-existence. The concept of empty distance. Non connected distance. The distance between objects becomes a thing. An entity, instead of just distance. And even worse, now, the character of distance can change. This is how bad it has become.
The energy of space is not from space. It’s just field motion thru space. The energy measure is just a superposition and time and location. A false superposition. Of orphan field motion. A non interactive superposition.
I stand at the center. There is a person in the north. There is a speaker in the west and in the east.
1000Hz from the west and the north hears it. If I put 1000Hz from the east and in phase, the north hears twice the intensity. If I put east out of phase, the north hears nothing. And measures nothing.
Now change speakers for lasers. Or flashlights. If I put them out of phase, will the north feel or see anything? You bet he will. OUCH.
Wave superposition is much different from light superposition. Because light is not a wave.
And it interacts differently than waves do. It has duty cycle, not wave frequency.
Using duty cycle requires no spacetime to explain our measurements. With solid constants.
I don’t believe in space. Just distance. Nothing can wave in it. Can’t wave distance. -
Atlan0001 A black hole is likely only a half or less of the circular evolutionary game. The rest of the story being a black hole evolving a transparency of white hole matter-energy, like a galaxy maybe, or star matter dusts and more, from primordial shadow matter, aetheral-like dark matter, that was a black hole, a lot of black holes, in the background of its existence:Reply
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Dav_Daddy
I think you fail to take into account how compact a black hole is. An Earth mass black hole for instance would be smaller than a ping-pong ball. Now take something the size of 6 ping-pong balls and calculate the odds of it hitting anything in the vastness of space.Unclear Engineer said:This article seems to have some quantitative analysis deficits.
If there are enough primordial black holes around to account for "dark matter" I have already posted in another thread how many would be in a given volume, and what that means for how many would be in our solar system, planet, even our individual bodies, depending on the size/mass postulated for the black holes.
If there are enough black holes with the mass of an average asteroid to be about 6 times more mass than everything we can see in our solar system, then there must be a lot of them here all of the time - more than 6 times the mass of the Sun' worth of "dark matter".
So, the idea that they are not likely to hit anything seems absurd, considering that we are seeing comets and asteroids hitting things. Dark matter black holes would hit things more often. So, why no inexplicable explosions or implosions?
Or, if the "primordial black holes" were fewer but much more massive than the average asteroid, say the mass of the Moon, Earth, Jupiter, etc., with enough of them to total 6 times the mass of the Sun, we should be seeing all sorts of inexplicable changes to the orbits of planets.
I don't have a problem with people looking for things like black holes in the local area. But, a proposal like this would not get a funding vote from me, because it seems to have not had the homework done that is necessary to even know how to look in a realistic manner.
Being so compact and depending on how fast they are moving in relation to the solar system the odds of one gravitationally interacting with and/or colliding with the Earth or any other planet in the inner solar system are infinitesimally small. -
Unclear Engineer
No, I did take into account how small they are, and used it to calculate how numerous they would have to be to make up all of the "missing mass" in the volume of our solar system.Dav_Daddy said:I think you fail to take into account how compact a black hole is. An Earth mass black hole for instance would be smaller than a ping-pong ball. Now take something the size of 6 ping-pong balls and calculate the odds of it hitting anything in the vastness of space.
Being so compact and depending on how fast they are moving in relation to the solar system the odds of one gravitationally interacting with and/or colliding with the Earth or any other planet in the inner solar system are infinitesimally small.
As for not hitting anything, the smaller sizes would be so numerous that there would be some inside the Earth at all times, assuming roughly uniform distribution in space.
And, the larger ones would either be slow and therefore here all of the time, interacting gravitationally, or there would need to be a large number of them passing through at the very high speeds you suggest.
There is just no way to have 6 times as much mass as we can see somehow existing as black holes in our solar system without expecting interactions of some type with the matter we can see. And nowhere near as rarely as this article suggests.
Maybe somebody can come up with an hypothesis that the "primordial black holes about the size of a hydrogen atom" would not interact with regular atoms at all. But, that is hard to believe. It sounds like another version of WIMPs (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles) that nobody has been able to find, so far. And, such tiny black holes are hypothesized to have evaporated by emitting "Hawking Radiation" billions of years ago, anyway.
Now, if you give up on the idea that these postulated black holes account for all of the missing mass, then you can imagine whatever you want to imagine about how many there are, how fast they are moving, etc. If you have no observable constraints in your "theory", then you can theorize anything.
As I said, in my first post, I have no objection to looking for black holes, just don't try to gaslight me with unsupported statements about physics or probability. If you want to argue, you are going to have to show your math. -
magnoflux M,Reply
Now change speakers for lasers. Or flashlights. If I put them out of phase, will the north feel or see anything? You bet he will. OUCH.
No, if you polarize the lazar beam 50% ordinary rays disappear and if you 90 degree a second sheet of polaroid sheet then all disappears because EM light consists of spinning magnoflux which needs 2 cycles spinning in one direction to balance the inertia and a voltage or push focus to drive it energessly forward. -
billslugg The missing mass, the "six times the Solar System mass", is not all located inside the Solar System planet zone. The unseen DM also has the spherical volume with a radius half way to the nearest star, or 125,000 AU. The total volume of this zone is 8E15 cubic AU. The total volume inside Uranus' 20 AU radius orbit is 3E4 cubic AU. The proportion of the DM excess mass inside our planetary zone is but six times 4E-12 of the total Solar System mass of 2E30 kg, or 5E19 kg. This would be the mass of a single rocky asteroid of 280 km diameter. Located arbitrarily in the total 125,000 radius of the Solar System, we would not be able to image it. If it were in the form of Black Holes or small asteroids, same problem. Any local orbital gravitational inconsistencies would be in the noise.Reply -
Questioner If there is undetected mass of any kind it must be remarkably uniformly distributed,Reply
otherwise we would have already detected it.
If BHs are singularities then they don't/wouldn't respond gravitationally to visible matter & that lack of response is one of my gripes about other DM proposals.
The uniform distribution is also less of a problem because of that lack of response means when a BH is positioned it would tend to stay there, with only nudges from matter infalling/colliding to/with it.
I wonder if we should be seeing vortices of infalling matter in the Oort cloud or somewhere.
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billslugg If the DM inside the orbit of Pluto was one giant 280 km diameter chunk, we might have seen it by now. We would not know it was "excess mass". It is too small a percentage of the mass dense Solar System to be able to detect it.Reply -
Questioner The problem with BH singularities is getting them to move in the first place.Reply
Since a singularity has no extent in space-time it can't respond gravitationally which means it can't orbit anything.
I think the only way to get a singularity moving is by dropping a stream of matter from a single direction.
Hammering it with infalling acceleration energy,
but if one does get it moving there's nothing to stop or slow it except a new stream of matter infalling from the opposite direction.
Metaphorically singularities are 'lead sleds',
unstoppable.
If a halo is going to follow a galaxy as it orbits or curves around another galaxy the singularities are going to continue vector straight instead of curving.
Stars may chase or be influenced by a singularity halo(s),
but the singularity halos are largely oblivious to everything else including stars & other halos.
That recent graphic had two galactic halos accelerating ahead of the actual stellar collision.
Not sure how to make sense of that.