Interstellar meteor fragments found? Harvard astronomer's claim sparks debate, criticism

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One of the metal spherules reportedly belonging to an interstellar meteorite recovered by astronomer Avi Loeb. (Image credit: EYOS)

Avi Loeb is back.

The former chair of the Harvard Astronomy Department recently returned from an expedition to the Pacific Ocean near Papua New Guinea that dragged a magnetic sled across the seafloor in an attempt to find fragments of what Loeb claims is the first-known interstellar meteor, what he refers to as "IM1." 

This space rock, measuring roughly 1.6 feet (0.5 meters) in diameter, exploded above the Pacific Ocean on Jan. 8, 2014. By following the path of the meteor with the sled, Loeb hoped to find fragments of the rock, which  could then be analyzed to determine if their chemical composition could confirm them as being interstellar in origin.

As it turns out, the expedition turned up dozens of tiny metallic spheres, or spherules, less than a millimeter in diameter. In a July 3 blog post titled "Summary of the Successful Interstellar Expedition," Loeb stated definitively that "we did it." The discovery of these spherules, Loeb wrote, "opens a new frontier in astronomy, where what lay outside the solar system is studied through a microscope rather than a telescope."

While Loeb believes he has found evidence of the first interstellar meteorite, others have their doubts. And the debate is turning ugly.

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To find any possible fragments from the airburst that landed on the seafloor, Loeb's expedition dragged its magnetic sled along the path of the meteor, and did the same in a control region outside of that path. In the July 3 blog post, Loeb claims that the composition of the spherules found inside the path of the meteor "are consistently from the same source, whereas the background spherules from the control region had a different morphology and composition." This, Loeb claims, shows that these tiny spheres trace back to the 2014 fireball that reportedly came from interstellar space.

In both public statements and an interview with Space.com, Loeb suggests that the basis for his expedition, which was funded exclusively by cryptocurrency entrepreneur Charles Hoskinson, was a 2022 memo from the United States Space Command stating that data available to the Department of Defense (DOD) is "sufficiently accurate to indicate an interstellar trajectory" for the 2014 meteorite. 

A 2022 memo published by U.S. Space Command asserting that Department of Defense data indicate an interstellar trajectory for the January 8, 2014 fireball over the Pacific Ocean. (Image credit: U.S. Space Command)

However, some say that making the leap from that memo to the spherules Loeb recovered isn't possible. Phil Metzger, a planetary scientist at the University of Central Florida, wrote in a July 16 Twitter post that "connecting that meteor to a few tiny balls of metal taken from a vast area of ocean floor isn’t a capability of the Space Command."

Echoing that, Matthew Genge, a planetary scientist at Imperial College London who specializes in meteorites, said that connecting the spheres with the 2014 fireball — or any meteorite fragments with any other meteor — is impossible. "Meteorite ablation debris has been found, but not from an instrumentally observed fireball," Genge told Space.com via email. "There never has been a micrometeorite derived from a specific fireball event, and never will be, since it is an impossibility."

Peter Brown, an astronomer at the University of Western Ontario, agreed with Genge. If the meteor did in fact enter Earth's atmosphere at the speeds reported, Brown said, it would have been vaporized into fragments much smaller than the spherules Loeb's expedition discovered. 

"There has never been a meteorite recovered from any object that hits the atmosphere moving at more than 28 kilometers a second [62,600 mph]," said Brown, who studies meteors and small solar system bodies such as asteroids. "Any solids that would remain would be essentially aerosol-size." (In a 2022 paper in The Astrophysical Journal, Loeb claimed that IM1 was moving between 52 and 58 km per second, or 116,000 to 130,000 mph.)

Uncertain data

Aside from the difficulties in connecting the fireball event to the spherules found on the ocean floor, there are significant doubts about the accuracy of the data that underpin Loeb's claims to begin with.

For one, all sensors, whether ground-based or in space, have margins of error or uncertainty. For many scientific instruments, these levels of uncertainty are known, allowing scientists to take them into account when analyzing the data they produce. 

When it comes to the sensors the DOD used to measure the speed and trajectory of the alleged interstellar meteorite, those uncertainties aren't published publicly due to the fact that the U.S. government does not disclose the capabilities of many of its space-based assets. 

However, there are public data sets that incorporate measurements from these sensors that can be compared with those made by other sensing stations, allowing researchers to have a rough estimate of the levels of uncertainty in these U.S. government sensors.

That's according to Brown, the co-author of a recent paper accepted for publication in The Astrophysical Journal that calls into question the data supporting an interstellar origin for the 2014 fireball that Loeb claims is responsible for the spherules he recovered from the ocean floor.

Brown told Space.com that, as a result of the finite sampling rate of U.S. government systems such as those used to measure the velocity of the fireball, speed estimates are "systematically overestimated, particularly at higher speeds." 

Brown pointed out that in the light curve recorded by the U.S. government (a graph of luminosity over time), the January 2014 fireball displayed four distinct flares as it entered the lower atmosphere, but there was "no evidence earlier in the record of any sort of luminosity."

"And this is a key point," Brown said. "It's very difficult to get an object that purportedly is moving 45 kilometers a second [100,700 mph] down to 18 kilometers [11 miles] altitude, without producing lots of light higher up. It's in fact almost impossible, unless you have something that's extremely strangely shaped. It would have to be very aerodynamic, very low drag, very high density  —  not iron  —  and then you have to explain why it suddenly detonates into small particles at 18 kilometers altitude."

All of these assumptions would be incredibly difficult to reconcile at once, Brown said  — unless the direction and/or speed measurements reported by the U.S. government have similar error levels that are consistent with the larger data sets produced by the same sensors. In that case, the meteor's speed could be considerably lower than Loeb's estimate. And if that's true, Brown said, "the object becomes bound. It's no longer interstellar."

Loeb, however, told Space.com that Brown's paper and the criticism of his claims within it are likely just academic mudflinging. The composition of the spherules alone, he says, prove that they stem from the fireball. 

"And now this paper comes out on the day that I'm back from the expedition and says, 'No, the government is wrong. And by the way, the composition shows this object is not interstellar. Its speed was miscalculated, or not measured well, and it's actually three times slower, and it cannot be made of iron,'" Loeb said. 

"Yet I hold in my hand the vials with the spherules from this meteor, because most of them were from the meteor path, and then they show the composition is mostly iron," he added. "So that's, you know, that is the kind of pushback from people that are preferring to have an opinion before looking at or seeking evidence." 

The crew of Avi Loeb's "Interstellar Expedition." (Image credit: EYOS)

'Betraying the profession'

Aside from disagreements about the accuracy of data, Loeb's claims have been controversial for other reasons. His expedition has drawn criticism for essentially stealing the fragments by not securing the proper permits from the government of Papua New Guinea. In addition, no women were present on the expedition.

Some astronomers also see Loeb's bold claims as an embarrassment for their field. In a blog post dated July 18, Pennsylvania State University astronomer Jason Wright, director of the Penn State Extraterrestrial Intelligence Center, wrote that Loeb's "shenanigans have lately strongly changed the astronomy community's perceptions of him" and that "Loeb's work is unambiguously counterproductive, alienating the community working on these problems and misinforming the public" about the search for possible extraterrestrial intelligence.

For his part, Loeb finds the criticism odd. "Science is supposed to be just based on evidence, not on opinions that have no substantiation," he said. "So if someone says, 'I'm going out to seek some evidence,' it should be all positive. Why would you have any reservations if you call yourself a scientist? I mean, you can call yourself a scientist and just have your own belief system, but then you're betraying the profession."

Despite all of the criticism, Loeb remains undaunted as he presses forward with analyses of the spherules his expedition recovered. "Science should not be diminished based on the superficial undertones in social media and academic jealousy. And that's a natural tendency, basically, stepping on any flower that rises above the grass level. A lot of people prefer that."

Avi Loeb's upcoming book from Mariner Books, "Interstellar: The Search for Extraterrestrial Life and Our Future in the Stars," will be available on Aug. 29, 2023. 

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  • Brad
    Dr. Loeb is hurting legitimate efforts in this field and I wish he would go away at this point. Aside from that I'm curious about this passage in the story:

    "His expedition has drawn criticism for essentially stealing the fragments by not securing the proper permits from the government of Papua New Guinea. In addition, no women were present on the expedition."

    There were no women on the expedition???? Who cares? It is political nonsense and I would like to think that these types of articles could rise above the background noise and stay true to their mission, which is reporting about scientific endeavours and the results of those efforts.
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  • Unclear Engineer
    I agree with Brad that this article seems to be interjecting irrelevant politics into the scientific discussion. There do not need to be women (or men) included in a science team to do good science. And, Loeb did contact New Guinea and did have one researcher from New Guinea with him on the vessel. It sounds like there is a lot of political BS going on in New Guinea now that he found something, whatever it is, and they want "a piece of the action".

    But, let's get to the science. The real issue here is the isotopic composition of the elements in the spherules that Loeb found and believes came from this fast meteor. Compare that to the same analysis of the other spherules he found in the same region that he thinks did not come from the fast meteor. And compare the "fast meteor" results to everything else we know about. Until that is done, this is just a bunch of adults claiming to be scientists while acting like children - it seems shameful - and not just Loeb's behavior.

    I am not going to go into how the uncertainties that his critics claim make his statements uncertain (or even "false") are, themselves subject to uncertainties that they are not admitting. But, please, Peter Brown, show me the experimental measurements that prove your statement that "it would have been vaporized into fragments much smaller than the spherules Loeb's expedition discovered." Please show me the distribution of spherule sizes for all of the plausible meteor speed, size and composition scenarios that could have been "unbounded" to our own solar system. I don't think you have such experimental results - I think you only have theory, and that is highly uncertain in the tails of the distributions. So, this argument is not convincing me that there can be no spherules at all of the size found.

    I want to see the analysis of those spherules. I hope "politics" doesn't get in the way.
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  • p3orion
    Brad said:
    Dr. Loeb is hurting legitimate efforts in this field and I wish he would go away at this point. Aside from that I'm curious about this passage in the story:

    "His expedition has drawn criticism for essentially stealing the fragments by not securing the proper permits from the government of Papua New Guinea. In addition, no women were present on the expedition."

    There were no women on the expedition???? Who cares? It is political nonsense and I would like to think that these types of articles could rise above the background noise and stay true to their mission, which is reporting about scientific endeavours and the results of those efforts.
    That jumped out at me as well. If the expedition made a conscious effort to exclude women for some indefensible reason, fine, call them on it (elsewhere.) But there's a difference between correlation and causality; I expect people of a scientific bent to use logic a bit better than those who continuously ascribe sexism (racism, transphobia, etc. etc.) to any situation in which minorities of whatever flavor are not assiduously represented by their exact percentage of the general population (even if that percentage is completely different from their representation in a given field.)

    The criticisms that Loeb is maybe getting a bit ahead of the data seem, if not valid, at least plausible. But an adhominem gripe about not enough left-handed Hispanic pansexual Druids is just bullshot that has no place in the discussion.
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  • jamestmallow
    Unclear Engineer said:
    I agree with Brad that this article seems to be interjecting irrelevant politics into the scientific discussion. There do not need to be women (or men) included in a science team to do good science. And, Loeb did contact New Guinea and did have one researcher from New Guinea with him on the vessel. It sounds like there is a lot of political BS going on in New Guinea now that he found something, whatever it is, and they want "a piece of the action".

    But, let's get to the science. The real issue here is the isotopic composition of the elements in the spherules that Loeb found and believes came from this fast meteor. Compare that to the same analysis of the other spherules he found in the same region that he thinks did not come from the fast meteor. And compare the "fast meteor" results to everything else we know about. Until that is done, this is just a bunch of adults claiming to be scientists while acting like children - it seems shameful - and not just Loeb's behavior.

    I am not going to go into how the uncertainties that his critics claim make his statements uncertain (or even "false") are, themselves subject to uncertainties that they are not admitting. But, please, Peter Brown, show me the experimental measurements that prove your statement that "it would have been vaporized into fragments much smaller than the spherules Loeb's expedition discovered." Please show me the distribution of spherule sizes for all of the plausible meteor speed, size and composition scenarios that could have been "unbounded" to our own solar system. I don't think you have such experimental results - I think you only have theory, and that is highly uncertain in the tails of the distributions. So, this argument is not convincing me that there can be no spherules at all of the size found.

    I want to see the analysis of those spherules. I hope "politics" doesn't get in the way.
    I agree it's absurd to criticize Loeb for not having women on the team. Also, whether or not they contacted the proper authorities of New Guniea has no bearing on the results. I do understand why Astronomers, particularly those in SETI, are frustrated with Loeb though. He essentially claimed that Oumuamua is an alien space craft and that UAP are probes sent by aliens to study us. Then there is the name of his project - the Galileo Project - which he chose because he likes pretending he is a martyr for science. Little is more annoying than a martyr complex.
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  • billslugg
    One person made a criticism of the lack of women. Give it that much weight.

    IF the meteor was at the claimed speed of 46 km/s and made of iron, then a one kilogram portion would require 6 mega joules to melt and evaporate. The kinetic energy of that kilogram is equal to 1 giga joule, or 170 times the amount of energy needed to vaporize it.

    Spherules have been recovered from meteorites traveling at 28 km/second, half the purported speed here. At 28 km/s or faster the meteor is purportedly vaporized. That is one fourth of the energy our alien visitor had. This is why the scientists are adamant that spherules at 56 km/s are an impossibility.
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  • Unclear Engineer
    Bill, Just saying that "impossible" seems too strong. It is easy to calculate the energy needed to vaporize something. But, it is not so easy to show that the energy all went into vaporization. And, it is also not so easy to show that there was absolutely no recondensation into spherules.

    It seems that this is becoming an ego battle, when it should be a scientific study.

    Just do the isotopic analyses and compare them to relevant data on other materials. Then report the findings and have a discussion. Not looking at all because you are "sure" there is nothing to find is an unscientific head-in-the-sand attitude. So, I do give Loeb points for actually doing the work to see if there is anything recoverable from the meteor. Jumping to conclusions = minus points, though. But, I am not actually keeping score. I just want to see real data, not opinions, especially when those opinions are expressed as facts.
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  • billslugg
    Yes, the isotopic signature will tell exactly where it came from. Isotopes don't lie.
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  • jamestmallow
    Unclear Engineer said:
    Bill, Just saying that "impossible" seems too strong. It is easy to calculate the energy needed to vaporize something. But, it is not so easy to show that the energy all went into vaporization. And, it is also not so easy to show that there was absolutely no recondensation into spherules.

    It seems that this is becoming an ego battle, when it should be a scientific study.

    Just do the isotopic analyses and compare them to relevant data on other materials. Then report the findings and have a discussion. Not looking at all because you are "sure" there is nothing to find is an unscientific head-in-the-sand attitude. So, I do give Loeb points for actually doing the work to see if there is anything recoverable from the meteor. Jumping to conclusions = minus points, though. But, I am not actually keeping score. I just want to see real data, not opinions, especially when those opinions are expressed as facts.
    How do we even know it's from the meteor ? It was nearly a decade ago.
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  • billslugg
    jamestmallow said:
    How do we even know it's from the meteor ? It was nearly a decade ago.
    They claim they determined a long skinny zone where it might be. Then they criss crossed the zone and showed a specific type of chondrule only appeared in that zone.
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  • Unclear Engineer
    Do we really have good isotopic ratios for different star systems, so that we could say which one this meteor probably came from if it is different from the ratios found on Earth?

    If the Sun was born in a dense cloud that birthed many stars, wouldn't those stars have similar isotopic ratios and still be scattered more or less "nearby"?

    I am hoping these spherules do have "extrasolar" isotopic ratios, because if they look pretty much like what is on Earth or at least solar asteroids, this argument could go on for the lifetimes of those involved.
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